So what makes a podcast go from good to great? What separates a so-so podcast from something akin to This American Life or Radiolab? Brett Gajda and Nick Jaworski talk about the nuances and nuisances of podcast greatness as they discuss their new, high-production show, Where There’s Smoke. From sudden realizations and inspirations to a fully immersive podcast experience, Brett and Nick give the full tour, and their advice and perspective applies way beyond podcasting itself.

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